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Ministry Is Messy

September 30, 2009 by Gilbert Leave a Comment

This week I was reminded that ministry is and should be messy.  In just the last few months I’ve met with people that are addicted to drugs and alcohol, with women involved as prostitutes and strippers, with people contemplating suicide and abortions, with couples involved in affairs and considering divorce.  Then on top of that are the normal relational and financial dificulties that many are going through. 

I relish the opportunity to speak with these people because what they really need is a relationship with Jesus.  They come in looking for quick fixes, but often leave with something far deeper and more powerful…forgiveness of their sins and the Holy Spirit living in them wanting to change them on a daily basis into the image and likeness of Christ.  Unfortunately, many times these people though want to continue figuring things out for themselves…they’re not yet ready to surrender to Jesus and I/we still need to love them and help them in the midst of their mess. 

Honestly, sometimes that can be draining.  Sometimes it’s tempting to want to quit and give up.  Ever felt that way?  What I remind myself of though is this…when ministry isn’t messy, you’re not really doing anything for God.  Jesus has called the church not to be a sanctuary for the saints, but rather a hospital for sinners.  If on Sunday’s everybody’s got it all together, that’s not a sign of a spiritually mature church, it’s the sign of an immature church because they’ve gotten off mission.

So pray with me that every week we’d smell smoke and alcohol on people, that people still coming off a high from Saturday night would stumble through the halls, that couple’s barely speaking to one another would sit in our chairs, and that others in the midst of destructive sin would show up.  Remember, we can’t expect non-Christians to act like Christians until they become one.  So one of our core values is, “No Perfect People Allowed”.  So let’s accept them without neccisarily approving of their actions…let’s show them the love of Christ and then let’s pray that they will accept his offer of forgivenss and new life!

Filed Under: Theology Tagged With: abortion, addiction, affair, alcohol, Core Values, divorce, drugs, mess, ministry, No Perfect People Allowed, prostitute, salvation, sin, spiritual maturity, stripper, suicide

What Happens to People Who Never Hear About Jesus?

September 14, 2009 by Gilbert Leave a Comment

I talked with and then received an e-mail over the weekend from an attender of United who was wondering, “If only people who pray and ask Jesus for forgiveness make it to heaven, then what happens to people who have never heard about Him?”  I e-mailed him back with my response and thought it might be helpful for others of you as well.  So here’s what I wrote…

As we spoke about Jesus is the only way to heaven.  The question then becomes…”Well then what about people who have never heard of Jesus”?  That question can be answered in Romans chapters 1-3.  In chapter 1 we read about how God reveals Himself to us through His creation.  It’s hard not to look at nature, space, the changing of the seasons, the complexities of the human body, etc and not come to the conclusion that something greater than us created it all.  We call this “The Light of Creation”.

In chapter 2 we read about how our own conscience convicts us of right and wrong.  As I shared with you, “Even thieves in the deepest, darkest, jungles of Africa still steal under the cover of darkness”.  Why?  Because they know deep down, even if there are no commands or laws against it in their society that it is wrong.  This we call “The Light of Conscience”.

In Romans 3 then we read about the good news that Jesus is that “higher power” and that He can and wants to forgive us of all the wrong our conscience has convicted us about.  This we call “The Light of Christ”.  Now everybody during every time has had the “Light of Creation” and the “Light of Conscience”.

Many throughout time have been able to hear of Jesus and His offer of forgiveness.  For people like that (which includes you and I) we will be judged on “What decision did you make about Jesus in regards to how to handle your sin?”  If you’ve truly prayed and asked for His forgiveness and leadership in your life, then you will be forgiven and are given the assurance of eternal life with Him in heaven.  If however you decide that you are going to try to make it into heaven based on your own good works and deeds then you’ll spend all of eternity in hell because heaven is a perfect place and only perfect people are allowed to enter in.

Some though never get the chance to hear about Jesus.  So does this mean that they will have to suffer in hell forever just simply because they never heard about Him?  The answer is no.  Does this mean then that people who never hear about Jesus automatically get a free pass to heaven then?  The answer again would be no.  While they may be ignorant about the claims of Christ, they are not innocent of sin by any stretch of the imagination.  So then what happens to these people?  Simple…they will be judged based on the amount of light in which they have received.  Again we all have an innate sense that there is something out there greater than us (whether we know to call Him God/Jesus or not) and we all feel conviction about the wrongs which we’ve done (even if we don’t know the theological term, “sin”).  So the question is, do they acknowledge that sin in their life and recognize that only that “higher power” has the power to forgive them and change them?  So all people need forgiveness of sin, we just happen to know that Jesus was God in the flesh who made that possible for us.  So you and I will be judged on all 3 “lights”, some will only be judged based on the first 2 “lights” because that’s all they had.

Filed Under: Theology Tagged With: conscience, creation, heathen, Jesus, light, salvation, sin

Psalm 119:129-160

July 17, 2009 by Gilbert Leave a Comment

I challenged everyone in the Textually Active message to read through Psalm 119 this week so here are some of my thoughts on each 8 verse section and then an application point for myself for the day. Feel free to read along and share your thoughts as well.

Psalm 119:129-136: Vs. 36, “Streams of tears flow from my eyes, for your law is not obeyed”. Sin whether our own or others should cause us great anguish.  One way to know that you are really growing is when you stop sinning not because you have to, but because you want to.

Psalm 119:137-144: Verse 142 reminds us that the Bible doesn’t simply contain truth, but is truth.  Again as I said on Sunday, the bible isn’t a book to be read but rather a person to know.  That person’s name is Jesus…and He said, that He is truth and John calls Him the Word that became flesh.  In other words, realize that when you read the bible you’re spending time with Jesus.

Psalm 119:145-152: Vs. 147, “I rise before dawn and cry for help; I have put my hope in your word”. Someone once said, “No Bible, No Breakfast”.

Psalm 119:153-160: Vs. 160 is another reminder that the bible is just a relevant today as it has ever been…His word is eternal!

Filed Under: Theology Tagged With: bible, Jesus, relevant, sin, truth

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